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Aardlumens
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Message posted at 03/12/2008, 23:50:48 PM by Aardlumens |
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I noticed that every time I have a keyword that is normally capitalized (such as "Pennsylvania" or a scientific name for a plant ("Narcissa"), the caps that I originally had there disappear, but the word gets underlined as if it's misspelled. It's not misspelled; it's just without the normal capitalization. So, I'm wondering-- is anything case-sensitive in the searches? Do I need to re- capitalize all these words, or ignore them? I hope someone knows the correct answer to this! Thanks! |
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Minolta X-700, Olympus E-500, Leica M2, various lenses
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Avion49
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Message posted at 03/13/2008, 02:49:00 AM by Avion49 |
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I've checked through my own portfolio and noticed that all the keywords that I had capitalized when I uploaded them are now lower-case. So I don't think it makes any difference. But if I were you, I'd always use the spell checker on the keyword box to check the spelling.
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Aardlumens
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Message posted at 03/13/2008, 14:53:28 PM by Aardlumens |
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Thanks Sandy-- I don't even think I've done anything to "tell" spell-checker to do its work. However, it seems to do it automatically. Thankfully, I got lucky and am blessed with great spelling, so it never seems to find anything but the missing caps. Yes, I didn't even think to check and see how the words end up on the accepted files. |
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Minolta X-700, Olympus E-500, Leica M2, various lenses
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Lightart
1015 posts
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Message posted at 03/13/2008, 16:08:20 PM by Lightart |
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I'm pretty sure that the search engine, like most databases, does not utilize caps in the schema. As far as efficiency of searching goes, grammatical syntax is not particularly important and just adds to the overhead. |
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Canon 1Ds Mark II, and a Canon 10D as a backup for my digita...
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Risto40
133 posts
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Message posted at 03/15/2008, 08:02:47 AM by Risto40 |
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but what about singular and plurial words, eg "house" and "houses"? If i add a keyword "houses" to my picture, then, if someone searches images with keyword "house" (not "houses"), can he/she find also my images with keyword "houses"?
and vice-versa, if i add keyword as a singular (house) then if someone using a search engine with word "houses", can he/she find my photos also? |
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Aardlumens
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Message posted at 03/17/2008, 13:53:29 PM by Aardlumens |
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Risto, from the reply I got on another thread, it IS good to include both forms of the word-- plural and singular. You can try it yourself-- do a search on "kittens"-- you get a much different number of results than if you enter "kitten". Some people say only include the plural form if you have more than one of the items in your photo. However, others report sales resulting from searches for the plural, even though there was only one of the items in the image. So.... to my way of thinking, more sales is good for DT & good for contributors. I would tend to use both forms. If there's only one, you can use the keyword "one only", or "one". |
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Minolta X-700, Olympus E-500, Leica M2, various lenses
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Lightart
1015 posts
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Message posted at 03/17/2008, 14:20:11 PM by Lightart |
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I usually put both forms in because often times the searcher will plug in the plural form, say 'trees' when they are simply looking for a picture with a tree in it. However one of the recent Blogs states, "If only one object is in the image, do not use the plural form of the word." I think this is relevant when you have a single woman for instance and the keywords include women (plural) as opposed to adding an 's' to the end of a word or object.
Either way, your just covering your bases and I don't think its an egregious form of keyword 'inexactitude' because you aren't misrepresenting the object but merely taking into account the tendency of a searcher to be less than exact in his or her description of an item. |
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Sid
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Message posted at 03/18/2008, 02:37:57 AM by Sid - member is an admin |
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The search engine is case-insensitive.
All keywords are converted to lowercase.
Singular and plural forms are perceived as different by the search engine.
Using plurals where there's only one in an image results in flagging and removing of the keyword.
Thinking from the buyers point of view, if I'm searching for a "woman with flower" I surely don't want more than a woman in the resulted images.
Yes, I know there are still many images with both forms of a word (singular and plural) in the database, but slowly they get filtered out. |
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Sanyo Xacti VPC-S1
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Stuartkey
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Message posted at 03/18/2008, 12:22:19 PM by Stuartkey |
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| Originally posted by Sid: |
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Quoted Message: Using plurals where there's only one in an image results in flagging and removing of the keyword.
Thinking from the buyers point of view, if I'm searching for a "woman with flower" I surely don't want more than a woman in the resulted images.
Yes, I know there are still many images with both forms of a word (singular and plural) in the database, but slowly they get filtered out. |
I disagree with this policy, if it is a policy?
For example, many people when searching for, say, a picture of a woman drinking wine, will think, "Right, I need pictures of women drinking wine" and will type 'women drinking wine' into the search box. This doesn't mean they want more than one woman in the picture, just that they are looking for images with women in them.
Another example: cats playing. Just because I've entered 'cats' instead of 'cat' doesn't mean I want more than one... it's just how some people interpret their requirement into words. If I wanted more than one I would search for 'two cats playing' or maybe 'lots of cats playing'.
All just my opinion, of course.
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Canon 350D - 17-40 f4 L - 70-200 f4 L - 50mm f1.8 II
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Lightart
1015 posts
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Message edited at 03/18/2008, 14:57:53 PM by Lightart |
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| Originally posted by Stuartkey: |
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Quoted Message: . . . I disagree with this policy, if it is a policy?
For example, many people when searching for, say, a picture of a woman drinking wine, will think, "Right, I need pictures of women drinking wine" and will type 'women drinking wine' into the search box. This doesn't mean they want more than one woman in the picture, just that they are looking for images with women in them.
Another example: cats playing. Just because I've entered 'cats' instead of 'cat' doesn't mean I want more than one... it's just how some people interpret their requirement into words. If I wanted more than one I would search for 'two cats playing' or maybe 'lots of cats playing'.
All just my opinion, of course.
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Well said. I absolutely think using the plural form in many cases is not nor should be viewed as a violation, and certainly not one worthy of punishment. Searches are constructed in the vernacular. It is a fact that people use the plural form when speaking about the singular.
I realize that blatant abuse of keywords is one thing but plural formatting is NOT a problem and threats of keyword flagging and removal for such a subjective thing is counter productive. |
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Achilles
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Message posted at 03/19/2008, 06:10:19 AM by Achilles - member is an admin |
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This policy involves how the search engine is created and how buyers look for images. We want to see "trees" as keyword if you have more trees within that photo. Your keywords should describe what is in the image, not what you plan to see used by the buyer.
If someone is looking for photos of women, he will not search after "women" and expect to see a single model per image. All results on the page, combined, would be relevant for "women". But most often he will expect to see women within a single image, not lots of images with single models.
No one will suspend your account because you have included women to one photo of a single model. You might be required to review it, it might be flagged. But harsh penalties are not applied unless we see deliberate or blatant spam attempts for a significant part of a portfolio.
I realize your opinions may be different, but this is how the search engine was created and how it can produce best results. Don't include more keywords, because you will lose relevancy. Include as many as possible, but only the relevant ones. Otherwise, you will just be cutting your sales.
If you search the blogs after "keywording", you might get a few more tips about this, much better explained than I did. |
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Stuartkey
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Message posted at 03/19/2008, 09:15:48 AM by Stuartkey |
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In that case, I think it might be advisable to 'educate' buyers, to ensure they are aware of this situation.
I know for a fact that many people use search engines (not just DT) in the way I described above, so I think that it would be essential to let everyone know that searching for 'women drinking' will eventually only bring up images with more than one subject.
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Canon 350D - 17-40 f4 L - 70-200 f4 L - 50mm f1.8 II
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Aardlumens
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Message posted at 03/19/2008, 09:54:05 AM by Aardlumens |
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Yes-- I think one problem is that each search engine works differently, as does each microstock or stock site. I know beyond a doubt that many buyers will enter the plural form of a word even though they want only one subject in the image. One reason this happens, IMHO, is this: when you see lists of categories on stock sites, the lists will include plurals, such as "pets, flowers, landscapes, backgrounds...." so it's no stretch at all for a buyer to then be searching and think this way: "I need an image of a cute kitten." Enters: "cute kittens yarn ball" I do understand that it would be a positive direction to limit plurals to images with more than one of those subjects, and can respect DT trying to go that way. But I do believe its searches are being done in both ways & that many buyers would not be that discerning.
If we can tolerate some loss of sales while trying to educate buyers and contributors, that's a worthwhile pursuit. But I think then that we'd better also make sure all new contributors see this info. clearly before uploading, since few will go back and edit later. Good old English.... in some languages this isn't even an issue. In Mandarin, for instance, all this will be "lost in translation" and perhaps that's for the better! |
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